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- | <wrap lo>**DON'T ASK DON'T TELL** Despite his official 'no refund' | + | <wrap lo>**AXANAR SPAM** Just four of the dozens of repeated posts by Alec Peters |
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**//Also: Peters Continues Attack on AxaMonitor, Props Up Surrogate' | **//Also: Peters Continues Attack on AxaMonitor, Props Up Surrogate' | ||
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<wrap lo>**By [[user> | <wrap lo>**By [[user> | ||
- | Despite adamant public refusals to grant refunds to donors disillusioned by delays in perks delivery and //Axanar//' | + | <wrap em> |
- | [{{ ::patches-shipped.jpg?300|**SHIPPING PERKS** Axanar | + | [{{ ::peters-refund.jpg?direct&300|**PUT UP AND SHUT UP** Axanar |
- | ===== Mollifying | + | ===== Spamming Kickstarter ===== |
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+ | Peters had taken to spamming his Kickstarter’s comment section with dozens of repeated posts, pushing his backers’ questions and criticism down the screen, effectively silencing critics by making their comments difficult to see by any casual visitor to the page. | ||
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+ | Kickstarter deleted his spam after complaints from backers like Eric Berry, who told Kickstarter: | ||
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+ | > The creator [Peters] is currently engaged in a lawsuit with CBS/ | ||
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+ | ==== Forced Refunds Silence Critics ==== | ||
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+ | Peters forcibly refunded three of his most ardent critics, telling them: | ||
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+ | > I have refunded the three of you. Now here is the deal: I am going to refund the other 3 of your little group of malcontents and some others who want their money back. But if any of you post about these refunds or go tell [**AxaMonitor** editor] Carlos Pedraza, or whoever, the refunds will stop. If you want to be assholes and try and embarrass me and Axanar I will make it very clear that you three ruined it for everyone.(({{ :: | ||
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+ | ==== Blaming Backers ==== | ||
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+ | One Kickstarter backer asked Peters’ how far he was willing to go to silence critics: | ||
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+ | > Are you going to give all of us unasked for refunds to keep us from posting here? Why do you keep breaking the spamming rules? Why do you not want people asking questions or discussing the project with each other? | ||
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+ | Peters followed through on his threat to Berry, going on to post multiple times who was to blame for him no longer offering refunds: | ||
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+ | > Let me be clear, I tried to be nice, I tried to accomodate people who seem to have nothing better to spew lies and hate and bullshit. But they proved incapable of acting like adults. Eric Berry, Armsman and Glen Hine, like Sandy Greenberg before them, have proven that I cannot give refunds. We tried and you ruined it. Case closed.(([[https:// | ||
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+ | ===== Mollifying Donors | ||
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+ | Weeks before, despite adamant public refusals to grant refunds to donors disillusioned by delays in perks delivery and // | ||
In early October 2016, Peters tried to address [[kickstarter_update|growing dissatisfaction]] by donors in the production' | In early October 2016, Peters tried to address [[kickstarter_update|growing dissatisfaction]] by donors in the production' | ||
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Despite the official line that he would issue no refunds, Peters had in fact offered or given refunds to complaining donors, hoping they would end their public criticism of him. Donor Tom Ryan told Peters: | Despite the official line that he would issue no refunds, Peters had in fact offered or given refunds to complaining donors, hoping they would end their public criticism of him. Donor Tom Ryan told Peters: | ||
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//**__« By accepting a refund you agree to not disclose said refund nor discuss Axanar in any media, including Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. »__**// — //Axanar Non-Disclosure Agreement// | //**__« By accepting a refund you agree to not disclose said refund nor discuss Axanar in any media, including Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. »__**// — //Axanar Non-Disclosure Agreement// | ||
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- | On October 20, 2016, donor Jason Kovalik received a refund he did not request after exchanging public comments with Peters regarding a third party spamming Axanar' | + | On October 20, 2016, donor Jason Kovalik received a refund he did not request after exchanging public comments with Peters regarding a third party [[propworx-email|spamming Axanar' |
- | So this [refund] happened. … Please note, I did not sign anything NDA or what not. This was done, I suspect, because I was challenging Alec in the comments of the Kickstarter about his claims that Axanar didn't [[propworx-email|spam their donor list]] for Propworx, compared to Mike Bawden' | + | > So this [refund] happened. … Please note, I did not sign anything NDA or what not. This was done, I suspect, because I was challenging Alec in the comments of the Kickstarter about his claims that Axanar didn't [[propworx-email|spam their donor list]] for Propworx, compared to Mike Bawden' |
===== Shifting Donation Amounts ===== | ===== Shifting Donation Amounts ===== | ||