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 ====== Axanar's Night of the Long Knives ====== ====== Axanar's Night of the Long Knives ======
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 **//Axanar admin admits he monitors donors' 'negative' activities on Facebook//** **//Axanar admin admits he monitors donors' 'negative' activities on Facebook//**
  
 FEB. 21 — On the eve of filing its [[lawsuit]] response, Axanar closed off its Facebook groups to the public, deleted dissenting discussion threads and summarily ejected donors deemed unsupportive. FEB. 21 — On the eve of filing its [[lawsuit]] response, Axanar closed off its Facebook groups to the public, deleted dissenting discussion threads and summarily ejected donors deemed unsupportive.
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 +<wrap em>UPDATE</wrap> Mar. 15 — Former Axanar supporter Sandy Greenberg tells his story on 1701News: "[[http://1701news.com/node/1081/troll-alec-peters-built.html|The Troll that Alec Peters Built]]."
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 [{{ :sandy-ban.jpg?300|**AN EXCHANGE** between an Axanar donor and Terry McIntosh, admin of Facebook's Axanar Fan Group. Two days later, Sandy Greenberg and many others were banned, and the group was closed off to the public.}}] [{{ :sandy-ban.jpg?300|**AN EXCHANGE** between an Axanar donor and Terry McIntosh, admin of Facebook's Axanar Fan Group. Two days later, Sandy Greenberg and many others were banned, and the group was closed off to the public.}}]
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 From available reports, since the [[copyright infringement]] lawsuit was filed against Axanar in December, scores of its fan group's members have been banned from the group, and admin Terry McIntosh admitted it was because he monitors the member lists of Facebook groups he decided were undesirable. He told one ejected donor: From available reports, since the [[copyright infringement]] lawsuit was filed against Axanar in December, scores of its fan group's members have been banned from the group, and admin Terry McIntosh admitted it was because he monitors the member lists of Facebook groups he decided were undesirable. He told one ejected donor:
  
-> It was brought to my attention that you've posted in one of the [other] groups in a negative fashion on one occasion... I am the one that clicked the 'ban' button when you reapplied today though, because <wrap hi>you're on the member list of several of the anti-Axanar groups,</wrap> including their "secret" one that apparently there is a mole in.(([[https://www.facebook.com/steverobertsuk/posts/10153386087113148?comment_id=10153386161578148&reply_comment_id=10153386209083148&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D|Terry McIntosh Facebook post]], retrieved 2/22/16.)) <wrap lo>[emphasis added]</wrap>+> It was brought to my attention that you've posted in one of the [other] groups in a negative fashion on one occasion... I am the one that clicked the 'ban' button when you reapplied today though, because <wrap hi>you're on the member list of several of the anti-Axanar groups,</wrap> including their "secret" one that apparently there is a mole in.(([[face>steverobertsuk/posts/10153386087113148?comment_id=10153386161578148&reply_comment_id=10153386209083148&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D|Terry McIntosh Facebook post]], retrieved 2/22/16.)) <wrap lo>[emphasis added]</wrap>
  
 On Sunday, admin McIntosh announced the Axanar Fan Group was being closed off from public view: On Sunday, admin McIntosh announced the Axanar Fan Group was being closed off from public view:
  
 > The production team has made the decision to set this group as 'closed,' instead of 'public' ... the decision was unanimous. ... Content can no longer be shared with non-members, which is unfortunate, but now we feel that it's <wrap hi>a prudent decision to keep out the riffraff.</wrap>(({{::terry-riffraff.jpg?linkonly|View screenshot}} of Terry McIntosh Facebook post on the Axanar Fan Group, 2/20/16.)) <wrap lo>[emphasis added]</wrap> > The production team has made the decision to set this group as 'closed,' instead of 'public' ... the decision was unanimous. ... Content can no longer be shared with non-members, which is unfortunate, but now we feel that it's <wrap hi>a prudent decision to keep out the riffraff.</wrap>(({{::terry-riffraff.jpg?linkonly|View screenshot}} of Terry McIntosh Facebook post on the Axanar Fan Group, 2/20/16.)) <wrap lo>[emphasis added]</wrap>
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 +==== Hurting the Case ====
 +Copyright expert Stephen Carlisle of Nova Southeastern University decried these actions, suggesting they may hurt the character of Axanar's defense in its copyright case:
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 +> If you need further proof of the true intentions of these so-called “fair use” and “free speech” crusaders, it's that persons who are critical of Axanar’s ethics and legal positions have their posts on Axanar’s Facebook page deleted and their ability to post on the Axanar page revoked.(([[http://copyright.nova.edu/fair-use-claims/|Nova Southeastern University Copyright Office, Stephen Carlisle, "The Growing Problem of Phony 'Fair Use' Claims: From Michelle Shocked to Axanar"]], 3/11/16.))
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 +==== Seeking Answers ====
  
 Axanar donor Sandy Greenberg, took to another Star Trek Facebook group to ask why he'd been ejected and got a terse response from McIntosh, also an admin at the other group: Axanar donor Sandy Greenberg, took to another Star Trek Facebook group to ask why he'd been ejected and got a terse response from McIntosh, also an admin at the other group:
  
 > **Sandy Greenberg -> Star Trek** \\ Since the Admins here seem to be the same for the Axanar Fan page, could someone please explain to me why myself and several others were removed from that page yesterday? As far as I am aware I didn't violate any of the page guidelines and would like an explanation. \\ \\ **Terry McIntosh** \\ Nope.(({{::terry-nope.jpg?linkonly|View screenshot}} of Sandy Greenberg's Facebook post, retrieved 2/21/16)) > **Sandy Greenberg -> Star Trek** \\ Since the Admins here seem to be the same for the Axanar Fan page, could someone please explain to me why myself and several others were removed from that page yesterday? As far as I am aware I didn't violate any of the page guidelines and would like an explanation. \\ \\ **Terry McIntosh** \\ Nope.(({{::terry-nope.jpg?linkonly|View screenshot}} of Sandy Greenberg's Facebook post, retrieved 2/21/16))
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 ===== 'Public Butthurt' ===== ===== 'Public Butthurt' =====
  
 Another banned donor, podcaster Steve Roberts, also asked for justification: Another banned donor, podcaster Steve Roberts, also asked for justification:
  
-> So, Alec Peters, can you please tell me why have I not only been kicked from the now Closed "Axanar Fan Group" but upon submitting a new join request have been Blocked completely ... a group that in its own description states is for ALL fans, supporters and donors - and a donor I AM?!! \\ \\ What is it that you and the other group admins are actually now hiding behind "Closed" doors that you are actively kicking lots of fans, supporters and donors? You see I know it is not just I that this has happened to as I've seen people posting about this all day in other groups!((Steve Rogers [[https://www.facebook.com/steverobertsuk/posts/10153386087113148|Facebook post]], 2/21/16))+> So, Alec Peters, can you please tell me why have I not only been kicked from the now Closed "Axanar Fan Group" but upon submitting a new join request have been Blocked completely ... a group that in its own description states is for ALL fans, supporters and donors - and a donor I AM?!! \\ \\ What is it that you and the other group admins are actually now hiding behind "Closed" doors that you are actively kicking lots of fans, supporters and donors? You see I know it is not just I that this has happened to as I've seen people posting about this all day in other groups!((Steve Rogers [[face>steverobertsuk/posts/10153386087113148|Facebook post]], 2/21/16))
  
 McIntosh and Roberts exchanged several messages, eventually leading to Roberts' readmission to the Fan Group: McIntosh and Roberts exchanged several messages, eventually leading to Roberts' readmission to the Fan Group:
  
-> **Terry McIntosh** \\ If you'd approached me privately and we discussed this as adults then we surely could have hashed it out. I'm not saying that can't still happen, but <wrap hi>your stock dropped a bit with the public butthurt.</wrap> \\ \\ So, the question is, do you wish to participate in the Axanar group? If so, I'm cool with that. But, and this is a big asterisk, if it comes to our attention that you're lobbing turd in our direction then you'll be dumped like toxic waste. *said with humor behind it, just so we're clear*((Terry McIntosh reply to [[https://www.facebook.com/steverobertsuk/posts/10153386087113148?comment_id=10153386161578148&reply_comment_id=10153386197838148&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D|Steve Robert's post on Facebook]], 2/21/16)) (({{:terry-monitoring.gif?linkonly|View screenshot}} of Terry McIntosh's Facebook post, 2/21/16.)) <wrap lo>[emphasis added]</wrap>+> **Terry McIntosh** \\ If you'd approached me privately and we discussed this as adults then we surely could have hashed it out. I'm not saying that can't still happen, but <wrap hi>your stock dropped a bit with the public butthurt.</wrap> \\ \\ So, the question is, do you wish to participate in the Axanar group? If so, I'm cool with that. But, and this is a big asterisk, if it comes to our attention that you're lobbing turd in our direction then you'll be dumped like toxic waste. *said with humor behind it, just so we're clear*((Terry McIntosh reply to [[face>steverobertsuk/posts/10153386087113148?comment_id=10153386161578148&reply_comment_id=10153386197838148&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D|Steve Robert's post on Facebook]], 2/21/16)) (({{:terry-monitoring.gif?linkonly|View screenshot}} of Terry McIntosh's Facebook post, 2/21/16.)) <wrap lo>[emphasis added]</wrap>
  
 ===== On to Twitter ===== ===== On to Twitter =====